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It is a widely held misconception that saying Talaaq...thrice is an accepted form of divorce in Islam and the woman has to bear it without any rationale reason...The separation is done and there is no power on earth that can undo this.
I do not know whether this is right or wrong...and how hard and fast this rule is in the different countries and places...but this does not sound good if that is the case anywhere...it stifles the woman’s right to dignity and self respect and makes a mockery of her future...
The case of Fiza and Chand Mohamed is just like using the provisions to do absolute wrong...Chand Mohamed (Born as Chander Mohan…a Hindu) in what is widely known changed his religion in order to marry Fiza (Born as Anuradha Bali...a Hindu)...They were in love with each other and converted in order to marry as Chand Mohamed was already married with two children and as a Hindu could not lawfully marry a second time…
Within a short time…he had ditched Fiza and yesterday he called her from London to say the Triple Talaaq (Three times)...and followed it up with a SMS message of the same...Is this not a mockery of the law...
We all know that human beings are so selfish that they make...unmake...break and use laws for their ends...this is not what the law intended. Are not the issues of dignity, maintenance, respect… things that a woman is enlightened to...plus should there be reasons for making or breaking a relation...are whims and fancies ok…
Can the Triple Talaaq be justified just because the man is fed up…or in a bad mood...or did not get food on time...or wants a different companion? Religious discourse and a revisit to the adoption of laws in the present world and circumstances will be in order…what say?
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Vijay
Mar 15 2009
Kota,
India
Using religion as a tool.
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(Local Perspectives)
Vincent Van Ross
Mar 16 2009
New Delhi,
India
Not once but twice. Once to get married and a second time to get divorce.
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(Local Perspectives)
hi! very nice story Hariharan. today when VIP case such as this has come into light is making waves but many poor helpless girls became a prey to this wrong practice of the so called fundamentalists. absolutely, this is not what Islam preaches and was made to satisfy the selfish motives rather ’needs’.
(Local Perspectives)
Uttering the word ‘talaq’ or divorce 3 times does not nullify a marriage bond. You have to appoint an arbiter from both the sides (4:35 - Sura Nisa Verse 35). It is a 'process' whereby husband and wife choose to separate. Its does not rest upon the whims of the husband.
(Global Perspectives)
My point is: every religion welcomes everybody and this is becoming widely used to boost numbers as a pose to being a genuine act . I as a Muslim don't like certain people coming to Islam for self-benefit.
(Global Perspectives)
Lack of proper Islamic knowledge about divorce has led to some misconceptions in society. A comprehensive review of various aspects of divorce can help people understand what divorce actually is.
If husband has the intention of divorcing, he is better advised to follow the specific procedures established by Allah in the Qur’an for divorce.
If husband has the intention of divorcing, he is better advised to follow the specific procedures established by Allah in the Qur’an for divorce.
(Local Perspectives)
There was a story about a man in Egypt who came to Islam coz the Church made divorce difficult, had his divorce in a Mosque and then returned to Christianity and was accepted back & defended by a high priest. I find the mans actions disrespectful for both faiths. But this scenario is common, as is Muslims converting 2 Xtianity for certain needs.
(Global Perspectives)
Moss,
Thanks for citing this enlightening story. It made interesting reading. I think every religion should have a built-in assessment system when somebody tries to convert from another religion. The purpose of conversion is important. Conversion should be allowed only if the purpose of conversion is spiritual in nature. Not if it is done to circumvent some legal provisions of the country.
Thanks for citing this enlightening story. It made interesting reading. I think every religion should have a built-in assessment system when somebody tries to convert from another religion. The purpose of conversion is important. Conversion should be allowed only if the purpose of conversion is spiritual in nature. Not if it is done to circumvent some legal provisions of the country.
(Local Perspectives)
it is indeed ironical that despite having constitutional mandate the policy makers of india are not codifying a uniform civil code which will be applicable to all indian citizens. but it is heartening to see that the war against this system of triple talaq is being lead by muslim women.they have proposed a a new model talaqnama that has no provisions for triple talaq.
(Local Perspectives)
Triple divorce is not encouraged in Islam. Its not in practice during the Prophet’s time. Its a later innovation meant for a particular period of emergency during the pCaliphate of Umar. It was then adopted and continued in practice by the Hanafi school of thought. The present day Muslim world understands its evils and its is highly discouraged and disapproved by courts now. Courts do decide that a divorce even if pronounced a thousand times will count as one. This is the law.
(Global Perspectives)
Thank you,
That is great...plus the present day muslim world must also ensure that people do not change religions only for thir selfish ends...what say?
That is great...plus the present day muslim world must also ensure that people do not change religions only for thir selfish ends...what say?
(Local Perspectives)
Unless and until both the groom and bride present at the time of marriage, the marriage can not be solemnised, that too without the consent of the bride. Islam is still the most misunderstood religion and as such we still look at its laws with a falsified eyeglass. Let the world correct its views on Islam and approach it in a justified way instead of hatred.
(Global Perspectives)
We must think and recognise that marriage in Islam is a contract and not a sacrament. As such any contract can easily be reisgned. That is the provision of divorce in Islam. If one approaches it from this viewpoint, then he will appreciate the provision.
(Global Perspectives)
Arsalan,
I totally understand the view point....but the question i raise is that should the religion be misused for selfish ends?
I totally understand the view point....but the question i raise is that should the religion be misused for selfish ends?
(Local Perspectives)
I can in no way justify the triple talaq system (am not going into whether it is Islamic or not). Some of my married Muslim female friends tell me marriage in Islam is a contract and can be nullified anytime. Some of them live in constant insecurity because of this.
What I think, even if marriage in Islam is based on contract, the feeling of love and care do develop with time and it is wrong to just utter the three words and forget all about it.
What I think, even if marriage in Islam is based on contract, the feeling of love and care do develop with time and it is wrong to just utter the three words and forget all about it.
(Local Perspectives)
Is it a case of with you when ur r young and leave for for someone younger as i grow old??
and with no means of support...a disgrace
Plus when people change religions for slfish ends....something is very immoral..what say??
and with no means of support...a disgrace
Plus when people change religions for slfish ends....something is very immoral..what say??
(Local Perspectives)
Looking for loopholes to exploit in religion is a favorite past time for many people. The fact that the loopholes are so easy to find should be proof that religion has no place in civil society.
All marriage should have a legal and binding contract for every citizen.
The question of a person’s religion should not be recorded on any government document because it is subject to change at any time, unlike nationality or driving record.
and yes, it is immoral and uncivilized to hide behind religion just seek protections for actions that are detrimental to society, like polygamy, tax evasion and child molestation.
All marriage should have a legal and binding contract for every citizen.
The question of a person’s religion should not be recorded on any government document because it is subject to change at any time, unlike nationality or driving record.
and yes, it is immoral and uncivilized to hide behind religion just seek protections for actions that are detrimental to society, like polygamy, tax evasion and child molestation.
(Global Perspectives)
The question of a person’s religion should not be recorded on any government document because it is subject to change at any time, unlike nationality or driving record.
Very well said, Nuya! This is the need of the hour. Lately, there have been too many cases of people playing with the loopholes in religions to gain personal benefits.
In fact, religion should not be given any importance in any institution other than religious places. I don’t think the mention of one’s religion on school/college documents or certificates serve any purpose.
Nationality should be given more importance than religion in every non-religious matter or issue!!
Very well said, Nuya! This is the need of the hour. Lately, there have been too many cases of people playing with the loopholes in religions to gain personal benefits.
In fact, religion should not be given any importance in any institution other than religious places. I don’t think the mention of one’s religion on school/college documents or certificates serve any purpose.
Nationality should be given more importance than religion in every non-religious matter or issue!!
(Local Perspectives)
Changing one’s faith if not for the genuine sake,by itself is a fraudulant act. Talaq of any kind is most obnoxious to Allah. Woman is not a slave or puppet of a man. She has equal rights in each and every thing what the man enjoys.
Talaq if sent by SMS,or triple utterance in one sitting without any valid reasons and in the absentia of two arbitrators is not valid. Fatwas given by Muslim clergies that if a man
makes three pronouncement of Talaq(Divorce,and he writes in SMS and does not send it,the allegation that it accounts the marriage ”NULL AND VOID” is totally wrong and farce. If husband and wife,find the marriage totally not feasible,with the permission of the wife,the man has to propose a first divorce proclamation,known to two arbitors,and offer period of one month whether any reconciliation is in offing; if it fails he has offer the second one known to his wife and to other orbitrators,giving one more month to see whether any change of mind mutually and any chance of reunion.If fortunately there is chance of reunion,the spouse can lead a normal lire and man has to show extraordinary kindness to woman. Afterall woman is more tender in feeling and heart. Mas has to be more flelxible. Even after the second ponouncement,if there is no compromise,after one more month the man can bid the final talaq(divorce) and it’s irrevocable. The spouse cannot remarry again because they become Haram, ie forbidden. To sum up oral
tripple attribution of Talaq is not valid at all. Please refer Holy Quran as under : 4:3 and 4:129.
Talaq if sent by SMS,or triple utterance in one sitting without any valid reasons and in the absentia of two arbitrators is not valid. Fatwas given by Muslim clergies that if a man
makes three pronouncement of Talaq(Divorce,and he writes in SMS and does not send it,the allegation that it accounts the marriage ”NULL AND VOID” is totally wrong and farce. If husband and wife,find the marriage totally not feasible,with the permission of the wife,the man has to propose a first divorce proclamation,known to two arbitors,and offer period of one month whether any reconciliation is in offing; if it fails he has offer the second one known to his wife and to other orbitrators,giving one more month to see whether any change of mind mutually and any chance of reunion.If fortunately there is chance of reunion,the spouse can lead a normal lire and man has to show extraordinary kindness to woman. Afterall woman is more tender in feeling and heart. Mas has to be more flelxible. Even after the second ponouncement,if there is no compromise,after one more month the man can bid the final talaq(divorce) and it’s irrevocable. The spouse cannot remarry again because they become Haram, ie forbidden. To sum up oral
tripple attribution of Talaq is not valid at all. Please refer Holy Quran as under : 4:3 and 4:129.
(Local Perspectives)
Holy Quran,is one of the best source to understand woman’s place in the society. She is no less to the man. If at all there is a difference,it is phsiological difference and it has meaning. If there is no physiological difference,how the love and affection could be accounted? Naturally God has created women with soft characters with beauty and extraordinary qualities which man has to cherish and nurish.She is a rose to admire;not crush and throw. Think of the woman, for a few moments of man’s pleasure,the woman has to undergo a nine month process to bear a child. Further God has given her the finest senses in child bearing. Even slight jerk or moaning makes her to wake up in the midnight and she recognises what the trouble is. Man does not have this instinct though he cares the child and takes heavy responsibilites. Mother can recognise even a gnat and does not allow it harm the child.
For such kinds attributed with extraordinary qualities, man cannot divorce her with stroke of a pen or words.
Please refer the following verses of Holy Quran for the divorce: They are the onyl authentic sources and not the tell tale stories of fatwas:
2:228-232,236-237,241 and 4:35
For such kinds attributed with extraordinary qualities, man cannot divorce her with stroke of a pen or words.
Please refer the following verses of Holy Quran for the divorce: They are the onyl authentic sources and not the tell tale stories of fatwas:
2:228-232,236-237,241 and 4:35
(Local Perspectives)
Well actually, the Quran says that men have the advantage over women in everything including divorce. It only tells how men can divorce women, it says that if a woman wants a divorce, and the man is willing, she can buy her freedom with her dowry.
002.228
Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
002.233
The mothers shall give suck to their offspring for two whole years, if the father desires to complete the term. But he shall bear the cost of their food and clothing on equitable terms.
***If the man is given an advantage over the women, then it can’t be equitable. ****
Quran 4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel over the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge (BEAT) them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
***So you can’t use that as a legal substitute for divorce because it does not not allow women any rights. Only secular government administration of divorce should be allowed because it protects the rights of the woman and her children. *****
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Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
002.233
The mothers shall give suck to their offspring for two whole years, if the father desires to complete the term. But he shall bear the cost of their food and clothing on equitable terms.
***If the man is given an advantage over the women, then it can’t be equitable. ****
Quran 4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel over the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge (BEAT) them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
***So you can’t use that as a legal substitute for divorce because it does not not allow women any rights. Only secular government administration of divorce should be allowed because it protects the rights of the woman and her children. *****
(Global Perspectives)
hey Hari.. this is not just mockery of the law, but of all human values... I am not sure if this is legally O.K., but I am sure that it is definitely not O.K. in any religion. we need to start thinking beyond worldly laws and try to understand divine ones, and why those laws were put in the first place, their meaning, and their purpose...
(Global Perspectives)
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